people dead with dozens more still missing. the highest death toll in the northeast where torrential downpour, unprecedented flash floods and powerful tornadoes caught millions off guard. this morning new jersey governor phil murphy touring the damage as he announced millions in aid and stressed the need for more investment and infrastructure because of the effects of climate change. >> it is quite clear our state and our nation does not have the infrastructure to meet this moment and to meet the future as it relates to these storms which are more frequent and more intense and rain and heavy rain above expectation even for the experts is a consistent theme. >> in philadelphia, portions of a critical artery way, the vine street expressway that cuts through the center city are still under water, and louisiana, people are getting desperate as hundreds of thousands are still without power amid soaring temperatures just ahead of the president's visit.

and very disappointing august job numbers out today showing how the delta variant continues to hurt hiring. i'll talk to a top white house economic adviser about the low growth last month and the battle is engaged over the texas law virtually banning all abortions with both sides of the debate sounding alarms. already republican governors in florida and south dakota say they'll follow suit with similar laws as the president says the justice department is studying whether it has any legal options. >> i have been and continue to be a strong supporter of roe v. wade, number one, and the most pernicious thing about the texas law it sort of creates a vigilante system where people get rewards to go out -- anyway, and it just seems -- i know it sounds ridiculous, almost un-american. >> let's begin with the latest on tropical storm ida's wrath.

joining me now is nbc's gabe gutierrez in manville, new jersey. gabe, these are scenes we usually see in the south. this northeast hit was extraordinary and the death toll just out of sight. >> that's right, andrea. many residents here were just shocked of the intensity of this storm. take a look behind me. this is some of the devastation, and i'll step out of the way while photojournalist steps out of the way. this is a house in manville during an apparent gas leak, and just a few minutes ago firefighters finished dousing hot spots here and now authorities are going through some of the damage and luckily the folks who lived inside this home were not home at the time, but some of the neighbors did stay behind and they say they had to be rescued when the water kept rising. i am joined here actually by megan, we just were speaking a few minutes ago. you are the person who actually lived inside this home. you were renting here --

>> we owned. we owned the home. >> you and your husband is right over here, i think. thanks so much for speaking with us. >> you guys are coming back here for the first time. how did you ever imagine it would look like this? >> i'm just -- i'm in shock. we didn't even know this was -- [ no audio ] >> gabe was just in the interview with those people who are clearly in shock. extraordinary, returning to see the home they had rented out, leveled to the ground, the foundations. we will try to get them back. first joining me is mayor lou manzo of harrison township new jersey where this community of mullica hills is located. i can't imagine what you are going through in your community, never having experienced anything like this. we were just seeing the house that was completely destroyed. >> true, andrea, thanks for

having me. >> yeah. it's unprecedented, obviously living in new jersey this is not something we're used to. so the element of surprise certainly was present, but by the grace of god, we are looking at tremendous physical destruction yet no loss of life and no serious injury was just really incredible. >> the national weather service says that this was an ef3 tornado tearing through mullica hills thursday. is that close to you there in manville? that was the house we were looking at. >> there is a 400-yard path of destruction from one end of our town to the other, and so, clearly, one side or the other is untouched and in the middle of it is as you can see, just complete and mass destruction and i'm standing in one of the neighborhoods most affected and we are going door to door to show their support and give them the resources required to help

them get through this. what kind of insurance is there for this kind of storm? is this a flood zone normally? what kind of federal help do you have from fema? >> yes, well, it's not. however, individual policies we are finding are taking care of what people's needs are and to answer your question in reference to fema, yes, we have had support at the state level with governor murphy and his engaging of the president and the white house to sign off on declarations that do give us access to resources at the federal level and we are disseminating that information to the residents to make sure they know that everything is at their fingertips to help them get through this especially the early stages. >> what about help for those who need housing and who need all kind of basics as well as documentation? their papers are gone. they've got nothing. >> yeah, well, i have to tell you that the process that's in

place when it comes to a hazard and hazmat kind of mitigation plan that's usually coordinated at the county level kicked in right away and it therefore gave us the ability to call on the red cross had a shelter set up immediately overnight and obviously, family and friends of those most affected came on scene and were effective and in this transitional period we do have those federal resources available to us to provide housing where they can stay in the same general area, and stay in our town because let's face it, the kids are starting school next week and what do we do with the house, and it will take to rebuild and what do we do in the interim and temporary housing isn't the way to go. we have a family of three or four kids. as the start has started to settle and the sun has come out in these last couple of days everyone has been made aware and putting that into action. >> clothing, transportation,

just -- you name it. mr. mayor, so sorry for all of those losses there and thanks for the heroic effort of you and the first responders as well. thanks for being with us. and gabe gutierrez is back with us. you were at that site -- i am so sorry. i don't think we've re-established contact there. let's move on to the fact that president biden is on his way to louisiana this hour where he's going to tour the damage after hurricane ida slammed that state with 150 miles per hour winds this week. nbc's shaq brewster joins us from new orleans and vaughn hilliard in houma, louisiana. shaq to you, hundreds of thousands without power and will be for weeks and weeks. what are you seeing in new orleans? i think they did get some power back there for some critical structures. >> that's right. power is slowly coming back unevenly and the president when he finally lands here in louisiana, one thing that will be unavoidable is the lines.

this is one of the gas lines and it goes through one parking lot, that's not even one parking lot and all of the way through this and you see lines weaving. this one is about an hour long and at one point over the week it got up to four hours long. you not only see lines at gas stations. you see this at grocery stores and you see this for ice all across the city and all of these problems are because of the lack of power that you're hearing. we did get an update from the main energy provider here in the greater new orleans area and they're expecting to provide and restore power for folks here by the middle of next week. so they're days away, at least in this area instead of the weeks that were feared initially. for folks here, that's a lot to deal with and you feel that triple digit temperatures when you buy the heat and humidity and it's making for some tough conditions and listen to how people put it to me just this morning. >> what's been the hardest part?

being in a hotel without electricity. >> it gets hot? >> oh, it's bad. >> the president's coming today. what would you tell him? find a way to get gas supplies into town. >> reporter: you hear that need for gas because so many people are still operating on those generators and you see these long lines not only here in the city, but really all across the area and we've been staying in mississippi and you see gas station after gas station with these long lines and people doing whatever they can to stay cool and get as little electricity as they can until the power is fully restored throughout the city, andrea. >> the white house did announce yesterday that they were tapping into the strategic petroleum reserve to try to deal with some of that supply issue. of course, that doesn't deal with distribution and all of the roads that are out, but in terms of gas pricing nationally. we've lost a lot of refining capacity in the gulf because of ida. thanks to you and to those

people there in the hard-hit area and vaughn, in houma, where the national guard was handing out meals earlier. so how are things looking there? any improvement? >> reporter: not good, honestly, andrea. we cannot underscore enough this afternoon that on day six after this hurricane the resources and supplies are not here for the thousands of individuals who do not have power. a great number of them do not have access to running water and their food and water supplies are dwindling. i want you to see what the site looks like rid now. this is all that is left here in the heart of houma. this is not the fault of the national guard who are doing their part to distribute and play an assist role in the community. all that's left are these bottles of water you're looking at and there are hundreds of cars lined up here throughout houma. i just got off the phone with the official here in the parish and they have put out calls through the state asking for those backups and asking for assistance and there are people

asking for tarps and for food and for ice. i want to let you hear from one of those men, clarence scott, jr. take a listen. how are you doing with food and water? >> i could use some. i have a 1700 square foot of living area. anything you can give me i appreciate it. >> did you lose your roof? >> all my shaker is gone and my wood fence around my house, all of it is flat and i don't have no water. >> reporter: andrea, people are being told to come back tomorrow, but think, there's still a lot of today left here and folks are in need. andrea? >> thanks so much, vaughn hilliard and let's go back to gabe gutierrez in manville, new jersey. gabe, pick it up. >> reporter: hi there, andrea. apologies for the technical issues and we are back here in manville and this home exploded after an apparent gas leak and

we are here with the folks who lived here and have been kind enough to stay with us and speak with us. you guys were just here not too long ago, but you left before this house exploded. tell me what did you see? did it start raining here when you decided to leave? how quickly was the water rushing up? >> well, it started to rain pretty fast -- probably, what? around 6:00 or so? >> yeah. >> we left maybe 7:30, i think because we could see the floods started getting flooded and we were concerned because we have a baby and we wanted to get out. even driving from here to franklin township at 7:30, 8:00 the roads were bad. >> you made a decision to leave this house for one big reason? >> our baby. >> our baby. >> 4-month-old lila. >> if you didn't have her you may have tried to ride this out. >> we would have stayed and maybe would have to be rescued the following day, but we didn't want to take a chance with her so we left.

it was hard getting over to my in-laws' house in franklin township, but we made it there. my initial plan was to come back here by myself and just monitor the situation and see if i could bring anything from the basement up to the first floor. >> and so you -- this is the first time you're coming back and you're seeing your home like this. >> yes. >> this is the first time, yeah. we had seen pictures and videos prior to coming here, but our neighbor called us and told us that the water was gone down, we could come into town so this is our first time actually looking at it. >> it's got to be awful. so sorry you had to go through this. we were driving around here earlier and not just this neighborhood and several others were very difficult to reach yesterday. >> yeah. >> because of all of the flooding. firefighters had a tough time getting to some of the areas because of that flooding. did you ever expect it to rain this much in this area? >> no. we've had heavy rain, but nothing like with flooding. maybe a little bit of water in the basement, but nothing where we thought that we would get significant flooding. we'd heard in the past that

there were floods in the area, but -- >> you found something just a few minutes ago in the debris. what was the significance of that? >> we found a picture of our little girl, lila. we found an anniversary card they had given megan this year. we celebrated our fourth anniversary and we're trying to find our wedding rings. we had taken them off. so far, no luck with that. >> i don't know if we'll find them or not. >> thank you so much. as i understand you have insurance? >> we have insurance, yeah. >> thank you so much for speaking with us. i'm glad you're safe and i'm glad your daughter is safe. i understand you're staying with family. >> yeah. >> and thank you for speaking with us. we're very glad you're safe. stories we hear over and over again. they had to be rescued when the waters were rising. this area did not expect this, even though they had warnings and remnants of the hurricane. for some, this is just too much

to bear. andrea? >> gabe, it's just an extraordinary and just thanks for persisting and with the cell tower covered it must be pretty bad there. there's insurance to rebuild, no insurance for heartbreak. thank you, gabe. and to the hiring slump. new numbers showing the delta variant's impact on the job market is the expanded unemployment benefits. white house economic adviser heather boucher on the numbers next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. low cash mode on virtual wallet from pnc bank.

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today's monthly jobs report was a disappoint. the clear indication that the delta variant is slowing the economic recovery. the u.s. added 235,000 jobs last month, a big miss compared to expectations driven by stagnation and even job losses in sectors hit hardest by the virus. even though the unemployment rate did tip down to 5.2%. the president addressed the report this morning. >> there's no question the delta variant is why today's job report isn't stronger. i know people were looking and i was hoping for a higher number, but next week i'll lay out the next steps that are going to need to combat the delta variant, to address some of those fears and concerns. >> meanwhile, by labor day, as many as 7.5 million people will

no longer receive any federal pandemic assistance and another 2.1 million americans will lose on the on the $300 a week federal unemployment supplement. joining me now is msnbc anchor stephanie ruhle. what does the report indicate as the effect of the delta variant as they fall off the cliff. >> the best example would be in leisure and hospitality. that was one industry when we saw a massive surge in hiring at the beginning of the summer. now the delta variant is causing these increased cases of covid and what did we see? hiring basically ground to an absolute halt and that's a combination of people simply not going out for those jobs where they have direct contact with consumers and employers slowing down in hiring because people are going out less. now the question is going to be noi what happens next? you mentioned it. those expanded unemployment benefits run out in the next few days, couple that with the rent

moratorium being over as well as kids going back to school because that's been holding back parents from going back to the workplace and lastly, wages and this is a big positive going up. we've been waiting for that for a long time. when you factor all of that in together we could start seeing more people go back to the workforce, but we have to keep remembering all of this economic recovery is directly tied to covid, and we are not going to be out of the woods and back to normal until covid is behind us and you know it is not. >> and so one of the big messages is get vaccinated despite the breakthroughs, vaccinations make a huge difference. thank you so much, stephanie ruhle and joining me now is heather boucher, a member of the white house council of economic advisors. i do appreciate it. first, does the white house have any plan to put any stopgaps in place to extend unemployment benefits in place of congressional action given the setback to the recovery amid this delta spread? >> andry a stephanie really put

the nail on the head there with noting that the most important thing here is to get the virus under control and make sure that we continue to get those vaccines out. about three-quarters of americans have at least one shot. that's certainly an important step that the administration has been working hard on. on the issue of unemployment insurance. focus on the big picture here in terms of what we learn today from the numbers this is that we've created a job that pays $750 a month, when we put in place the american rescue plan and the unemployment rate is down 5.2%. half of the states have cut back unemployment benefits andy so they've already made that decision and of the remaining 26 states about half of them do have an unemployment rate that's higher than 5%. what we have done is made it really clear to states through a

letter and a lot of outreach, but a letter from secretary yellen and secretary walsh telling them how they can use their american rescue fund monies in order to extend unemployment benefits should conditions on the ground in their state warrant it. so while we look at today's report and we see a lot of good news, we certainly know that folks are still struggling and getting those vaccines out is core to the recovery and making sure that states have the resources they need in order to keep things moving forward. >> we are also seeing a striking difference in the employment of men versus women, the participation rate and do you think that's caused by child care issues and kids not being able to return to the classroom so needing a parent at home for virtual learning? what do you think is going on there? >> well, certainly, we've been watching the breakdowns by gender, also by age and race all along and you know, we've all been looking forward to the fall when schools would re-open as

normal and kids could get back to their lives so that parents could get back to theirs so i remain optimistic that as schools continue to ramp up and kids get back to normal that parents will, as well, and i think that will have a significant effect on the coming months on the employment rate of women, but i think the other issue is because delta has put a dent in this recovery that has affected the kinds of jobs that women disproportionately have in some of the face to face, so the most important thing is making sure that we continue to get those vaccines out, and making sure that we wrap our hands around this pandemic and keep us moving forward, but you know, certainly there is encouraging news in today's report from women, as well as men. >> big picture, though also. does the slowdown on hiring help the president make his case against senator manchin, for instance, who now wants to hit the pause button on the reconciliation package because

of fears of the economy heating and rising inflation? >> i think today's report makes clear that the president has a plan and it's working. with the resurgence of the delta variant, we could have seen us in a much worse position now, but because we've had all of the support out there and we've been focused on getting people back to work, things are looking pretty good relative to where it could be. a year ago, the congressional budget office thought we would have an unemployment of 8%. so i take all of that to mean the plans that we've put in place are working and the plans that we have to make sure that we fully recover, that we support families, that we make those investments in infrastructure that we need to make that this is the right agenda and will help us pull out of this pandemic and to use the president's words, not just build back, but build back better. >> thank you so much, heather boucher, and a happy labor day weekend to you. >> you, too. thank you. and coming up, copycat

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the supreme court's decision to let the texas abortion law stand makes this a big issue for the midterms and of course, the next presidential election, as

well. the law banning abortions virtually banning them six weeks into pregnancy provides no exceptions for rape or incest and empowers citizens to enforce the law via civil lawsuits awarded with $10,000 bounties if they succeed and no penalty costs if they don't. this makes it harder to challenge a law rather than a law enforced by the state. conservative lawmakers in south dakota and florida are working on a blueprint for copycat measures. they've sparked hearings on the texas law and on emergency rulings made by the justices without any oral arguments. this is what's known as the shadow docket. joining me now nbc news justice correspondent julia ainsley, cecil richards and the co-chair of american bridge 21st century and the former president of planted parenthood, and joyce vance. joyce, first to you.

chief justice john roberts calling the empowerment of private citizens as enforcers of the law unprecedented and the editorial board of the wall street journal saying the law sets an all of precedent that conservatives could hate. it could allow individuals to sue for hate speech or new york depp ties private lawsuits against gun owners. the president called this part of the law un-american. the white house is looking at whether there are federal provisions that could block this part of the law that seems to be a reach. i don't know, joyce, do you think there is a federal option for the doj? >> so that will certainly be a question that folks at doj would have to look at from a variety of different directions, andrea, to see when they can challenge the law or find ways around it, but this is the evil genius, this notion that they would use private enforcement in an effort to prevent the courts from

effectively reviewing the law. i suspect it proves too much. it does too much and as people begin to contemplate the consequences whether or not this could be used, for instance, to advance liberal aims in blue states that full review of this bill would give texas a less encouraging result than this temporary one that they've gotten from the shadow docket so far. >> and cecile, wendy davis, filibustered in the texas legislature in 2013, to block a different abortion bill. her fight did galvanize abortion rights activists and also made a lot of clinics close. it was already hard to get procedures in texas. how will this new fight have the importance of elections. court reform, the right? >> you're exactly right, andrea, and i do think that in addition to the horrifying consequences for women in texas, this has ignited a political firestorm

immediately across the country. you are seeing because folks are now waking up and realizing that if the second largest state in the country, the republicans can ban abortion there they can do it anywhere. and it's really important because this is part of the republican party's agenda for many, many years. it's finally come to fruition and folks are realizing this is no longer, you can't wait for the supreme court. you can't expect any litigation to protect you. i think it is going to completely fire up folks for the midterm elections, and i -- because one of the most important things is that this is not legislation that is supported by texans and it's not supported by people in this country. folks do not want to see a right that people have had for more than 50 years be lost in these extremely partisan ways, and so i think that we're going to see a huge impact in terms of voter participation and particularly

on the part of women. >> it is true that while it fires up the evangelical base, julia, our own polling shows that there's widespread support for the right to at least choose especially if rape and incest are, you know, not excluded in this law. as provisions. so that has widespread support. >> that's right. we can see exit polls taken in 2020 and texas, it should be legal for a woman to be able to get an abortion and that couldn't bring into question the law where it would bring enforcement into the hands of vigilantes and that question hasn't been posed. it would be interesting to see how that plays out across the country and it stands to show that the enforcement piece as joyce pointed out, that enforcement piece is exactly why we're going see so many states

rush to copycat this, south dakota and florida who are working on legislation like this because that enforcement piece while it seems so kind of wild and unlike anything we've seen before, that's actually what allows this to go forward in a way that a case like a bill like what was done in mississippi which really puts roe versus wade right into question at the top of their argument, that could actually be struck down by the supreme court whereas this because it puts the enforcement not in the hands of the state, but in the hands of private citizens has somewhat of a workaround. we didn't get to see this play out in oral arguments. we didn't get to see the justices ask questions about this approach because it was all done in the shadow docket. >> joyce, let's talk about that because the supreme court as julia was just saying is taking up that mississippi case that was scheduled where everyone thought that roe v. wade might be targeted, but now you're

seeing it in effect happen in texas and you're seeing it state by state already and justice roberts, particularly called out that shadow docket be used without the oral argument where they could have granted the injunction and granted the relief until the fifth circuit hands over the appeal and see what happens after that. >> and that's what you would expect would happen. typically in a case like this with a highly controversial law about to go into effect, you'll see that a court will enter a preliminary injunction, what that does is it keeps the law from going into effect until the litigation is concluded. i suspect that's what a lot of people thought would happen in texas and the district judge in this case had scheduled a hearing on the preliminary injunction, but the defendant, state court judges and court officials appealed a decision that he had made to not dismiss the case in joining the law from going into effect out of hand and when it got to the fifth

circuit, the fifth circuit stripped the district court of any additional ability to move forward. told that judge he couldn't even consider whether or not to join the law from going into effect. so that's how we found the case on the shadow docket for the supreme court to decide with no record. >> and joyce, does that signal anything? is there any inference we can draw about where the court's headed where they hear the mississippi case? >> i think we can't draw an inference from the shadow docket decision. we can draw an inference from larger events and what we know of the jurisprudence of new justices on the court. so the mississippi case which bans abortion from the 15-week mark on is in direct contradiction with roe versus wade and other cases like planned parenthood versus casey that guaranteed the women the right to have an abortion at least through the first try midwester and in the second

trimester with some restrictions that don't -- right and that is in the court. >> we're talking about 50 years of precedent. thank you so much, joyce, cecile and julia, thanks to all. and afghan upheaval. private foundations stepping in to try to help afghans escape amid the ricis threat of isis-k. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ness rethinkin e to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change. faster. vmware. welcome change.

the taliban could be close to naming a new government in afghanistan, perhaps days away, with expectation that the new president will be taliban co-founder mullah abdul baradar. as the taliban cements their control of afghanistan and their hardline religious fundamentalist government takes shape, tens of thousands at risk of violence are still trying to escape the country. joining me is eileen o'connor at the rockefeller foundation and ambassador michael fall, former u.s. ambassador to russia. great to see you. eileen, i think the last time i saw you it was in kabul. >> i think it was. >> indeed, and the organization has been closely involved, of course, with rescue efforts by private charters getting people at risk out. what options does rockefeller now have with the u.s. military withdrawn. >> the rockefeller foundation has supported some of the contractors and ngos.

in their efforts we've gotten financial support to get people out and that is airlifts in the beginning as well as to other third countries to help them get to those third countries where they can be processed for visas to the united states or as refugees to other countries. so now what's needed, really, andrea is that we really need the united states diplomatically to work towards establishing some humanitarian corridors. perhaps to central asia which the ambassador can speak to or to pakistan where they then can either remain and be processed to another country or to the united states as they qualify under these special immigrant visa as well as the p-2 where they worked for a u.s.-government funded organization, but i would also say, andrea, that i really would commend all of the americans that came together in this rescue operation. it was journalists, former

veterans. there were state department officials currently, foreign service officers who worked with me in afghanistan from all over the world were volunteering on a task force as well as the military both in centcom and on the ground and the embassy on the ground both in kabul and in these receiving countries. literally, we're working around the clock talking to people at 1:00, 2:00, 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 in the morning and i think that just shows how really committed people were to our afghan allies and regrettably, we had the severe loss of life of our military members and my heart does go out to their families, as well. >> i just want to say from personal experience, part of the international women's media foundation, i know you're familiar with their efforts, we're working non-stop. the staff was incredibly active on this, and we -- members, board members were all working

on this and there were complaints from some groups, for instance, the voice of america and people were left behind and afghan, at-risk journalists were left behind because they didn't qualify for the so-called p-2 and p-1 and siv category and they didn't work for american companies, but they were part of the afghan journalists and within -- at least a hundred left behind. we told them to get -- the state department helped them with grants and they didn't qualify for anything and then time ran out after the suicide bombing because they closed the gates to afghans. >> that's why we have to advocate for this humanitarian corridor to other countries. they can be qualified as refugees under unhcr and that would at least enable them to get -- to be -- to avoid any kind of retribution from the taliban, but it is also the job of the united states and the international community to withhold the aid and assistance and the money that is currently

embargoed from the taliban until they do live up to their promises that they would support and uphold the rights of women and minorities, that there would be no retribution and that's really important right now, and we really do have to hold their feet to the fire as well as some of their allies in pakistan and other places to try to influence them to make sure that they do not have any retribution against these people, and i do -- i know how involved you were and how many, many people were, and i think it just shows how people can join together across the political spectrum when it's something like this and lives are at stake. >> and i just want to give a shout out to you, to vital voices and all of these organizations. ambassador mccall, one of the big problems is russia. you know russia so well, but we've had a lot of trouble with russia telling the u.s. you can't have rights in the stands

and i don't know whether we can get any help on refugee relief from those overland routes. >> we'll have to wait and see. first of all, i also know many american-funded ngos in afghanistan and many hundreds, probably thousands of people are still there and i applaud the work that rockefeller and others have done. it's been fantastic, but i want to remind everybody, the mission is not over. as eileen said the people are still there and we need to find new modalities to get them out and secretary clinton -- secretary blinken, excuse me, secretary clinton was my former boss. i think it is very important to keep focused on this, so thank you for talking about it right now, andrea. those people are still there, and i hear from them every day and they want to get out. with respect to russia and even china, i would add to your list, in the short-term this is a

victory for their ideological struggle against us. we have lost and let's be honest, we defeated the taliban and now they're back. that is a defeat for the united states and our ideas of democracy and liberty. this is a backlash to that, but in the medium term and the long term i'm not so sure this is a great victory for russia or china. remember, they have large muslim communities of their own. they have jihadist movements of their own including in central asia as you mentioned right next to afghanistan that will create a security challenge to them and then in the long run, i just keep wanting to remind people, i've heard so many declarations at the end of democracy and western liberalism this week, and i just want to remind everybody that's exactly what people said in 1975. remember 1975 what was going on. it wasn't just one country, vietnam. it was all of indo-china that had fallen to the communists. they were on the march in

southern africa and latin america. we had big problems here at home in terms of human rights and a corrupt president and 15 years later we were back, and i don't want to predict the future. i don't know the future, but to say that today is the end of democracy and liberalism and the world, i think that is premature. >> let me just ask you about isis-k and the terror threats as well. taliban obviously have their own track record, but you've also got the haqqani network and isis-k, just yesterday in alexandria, virginia court, we had a guilty plea from one of so-called beetles, one of the horrible isis terrorists who beheaded james foley, who killed kayla muller. the four american families in the courtroom seeing the guilty plea from one of those isis guys from syria, it's the same ideology. what are people going to encounter if they try to go over

land or they're going house to house and they get caught in the cross fire there? >> well -- >> it's a very dangerous mission -- >> i was going to ask ambassador -- >> sorry. >> with your familiarity to it as well, ambassador? >> it is a very dangerous mission just like the evacuation was a very dangerous and tragic mission, but that's not an excuse for not doing it. we have to get those people out and tragically, we're going to be fighting the global war on terrorism even if we don't call it that for decades to come. >> well, we have to go, but, eileen, thank you so much and thank you for putting this into context at the end of a difficult week. the death toll of florida setting another covid robert as governor desantis doubles down on his ban against mask mandates. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc.

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>> deaths now reaching all-time highs. on average there was 325 deaths each day in the past week. so far a republican governor has appealed the judge's ruling against mandatory mask mandates in schools. joining me now is kerry sanders and dr. patel, physician and former obama white house policy director. let's hear. >> there is a 210 bed deficit as

the crisis is now causing county mayors across the state so hold use conferences and pleading with people to understand how desperate this crisis for people dealing with coronavirus. >> there is burnout as well. people get burnt out and they leave the profession. the florida hospitalization say there's is a deficit of 8,000 nurses in the state. that is a confluence of increased demand and burnout. >> 87% of those patients in hospitals in palm beach county are unvaccinated. andrea? >> that tells you the story. dr. patel we're learning that moderna is expected to miss the

deadline for booster approval. what does this news mean? will there will be a supply problem? doctors say if you got moderna before, you should get moderna now. so what does that mean. >> that means there will already be confusion about the boosters and who should get them first. it is probably related to the fact that they submitted their application with a reduced dose. and i they is why the fda said, lead to a lit of a conclusion that the data was insufficient and they would need more time. i think september 20th is the go date for a rollout. that means people that had moderna and had johnson and johnson are in the lurch. i think moderna will be cleared up quickly. i think it will lead to a lot of

people that got moderna and will show up and want pfizer as an option for a booster shot. at the end of the day it means we need more clarity from the cdc, the fda, and the white house about who should get boosters when and who should be prioritized. >> just in terms of moderna, what if you already got your third shot, that's presumably not the lower dose. it is the original moderna. >> yeah, that is correct. the data that had been done to date had been with that same dosage that was in shot one and two. i received moderna. but it is the immunocompromised people that need to be fully

vaccinated. confusion on confusion. but do not worry, booster wills be available. if you don't get it at eight months from your second dose that does not mean you're in jeopardy. i think there will be an eight to 12 month window where we recommend the booster shots. >> and more confusion because the new york times is reporting something that we're not reporting yet that authorities and regulators are saying they rushed too much to hit that september date on. we'll have to leave it there for the day and for the week. thank you for everything you do, dr. patel. have a good labor day, everyone. chuck todd is here with "mtp daily" here on msnbc.

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